Tuesday, September 22, 2009

very good post about Adam

Read anything written by so-called liberal christians or emergents (assuming they are different), and you'll soon see that they go to great lengths to try and make the first few chapters of Genesis into fiction. They may try to soften that some by calling it 'myth', but in the end it equals the same thing to them. Rob Bell, for example, is all into the idea of the Creation myth as "poetry". McLaren has made no bones that he considers much of Genesis to be made-up, at least up to Abraham. Another liberal whose books I've read some of waxed to great lengths (though without proofs) trying to say that even way back when this creation account wasn't considered factual, though he never explains how he knows that.

Following a link from this blog, it took me to this entry about why Adam should be considered to have been a real, historical person.

1. On the face of it, the basic literary genre of Genesis 1-4 is that of historical narrative (as opposed to, e.g., poetry, legal code, or apocalypse). This isn’t to say that these chapters can contain no figurative language; many conservative OT scholars would readily grant that they do. But it does imply that these chapters (like the rest of Genesis) are intended by the author to report important events within historical space-time. As such, there should be a strong presumption that the Adam of chapters 1-4 is no less a real historic figure than, say, the Abraham of chapters 12-25.

8. In Romans 5:12-21, Paul draws his famous parallel between Adam and Jesus. The transgression of “one man” (Adam) brought judgment and death, but the obedience of “one man” (Jesus) brought righteousness and life. If Adam never actually existed (never mind sinned), Paul’s parallel — on which his theological argument depends — falls flat.


I can recommend it, it puts paid to many of the assumptions liberals and emergents operate under.

2 comments:

Anonymous said...

they were right about genesis being fictional. the key to understanding the first adam is to first understand the second adam. the second adam provides a lot of clues to what went wrong with the first adam.

that said, an anonymous, with no credentials, will say something you will most likely disapprove or even evoke scorn.

christianity which stem from the theology of past biblical luminaries and scholars were dead wrong about genesis.

when the foundational doctrines are wrong, the building on which it sits becomes shaky or its dogmas, nonsensical.

an undeniable charge against christianity the religion is that it was responsible for much(most) death/wars/conflicts in the past.though there were also good that came out of it(knowledge of good and evil) but the sum of the faith, in general, is death - as prophesied.

despite its bloody history, the christians continue to wait for and prophecy the literal appearance of jesus.

they have been doing that for centuries and every single "prophet" has been proven wrong - and it shall be so.

you would think its bloody history would have raised "alarm bells" by now but no....they are still leaving behind a trail of blood.

without a proper understand of genesis, i suspect you will unlikely to come out of this bloody religious mess(eg 911 and beyond).

jazzact13 said...

that said, an anonymous, with no credentials, will say something you will most likely disapprove or even evoke scorn.

Glad we understand each other, at least to that extent.

an undeniable charge against christianity the religion is that it was responsible for much(most) death/wars/conflicts in the past.

Hardly undeniable, since I'm denying it right now. In the past, Christianity wasn't even known in most of the world. Can you blame Christianity for, say, the conquests by the Babylonians, Greeks, Persians, Romans, Goths, and Mongols? Or can you blame Christianity for, say, the expansionism of the Soviet Union, the sword of Mohammad, or the Chinese takeover of Tibet?

And in wars in which Christianity did play a part, what and how was its role in them? You could say that, for example, Christianity and Christian thought played its part in the American Revolution, and it was probably the thing that kept that revolution from going the way of, say, the French Revolution.

though there were also good that came out of it(knowledge of good and evil) but the sum of the faith, in general, is death - as prophesied.

Umm...in case you haven't noticed, the one experience that could be considered universal is death. Christian deals with death, yes, as do other religions and philosophies. But Christianity's focus is eternal life.

despite its bloody history, the christians continue to wait for and prophecy the literal appearance of jesus.

Half right. I wait for the literal return of Jesus. We don't now prophecy about it, except for some quacks. The prophecies have already been made, and we await their fulfillment.

they have been doing that for centuries and every single "prophet" has been proven wrong - and it shall be so.

The Bible spoke of such as you, who scoff at the prophecies of the return of Christ. It doesn't say anything nice about you.

without a proper understand of genesis, i suspect you will unlikely to come out of this bloody religious mess(eg 911 and beyond).

Umm...9/11 was caused by Muslims. Do get your facts straight.

And I do have a proper understanding of Genesis. It's those who try to paint it has a fiction that they can manipulate to their own ends that misunderstand it.